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Re: Let's Agree to do Something about it

Post by Reader » 4th April 2016, 06:27

Mr. Chileshe,
hit me again. What exactly are you talking about?

Re: Let's Agree to do Something about it

Post by Guest » 20th August 2010, 21:19

Good thoughts.

I am just trying to see if we can get back to what was the whole idea behind this string of chats - to agree to do something about it and work towards a plan of how this can be done.

Is there any hope of this eventually happening?

I remain hopeful but would really wish to hear what others think . . . There is strength in agreement and in numbers.

Re: Let's Agree to do Something about it

Post by Luwitendi » 11th August 2010, 20:59

Bro,

I hear you and agree that we have so much potential in this country to be the best in the region, but as you rightly said - ' me and my household' reigns. I wish Zambians knew the history of the western world and how citizens sacrificed to make things better and not sat back with arms folded waiting for the government to work, it won't happen. London is London because of it's citizens and nothing else. When these banks introduce products, they are usually what has been thrown out from the west. Lending policies are built on economies that are not ours, therefore are not effective in Zambia etc. Even the Central Bank should be taken to task for allowing these banks to bring in products that are not suitable for the Zambian.

Re: Let's Agree to do Something about it

Post by Guest » 4th August 2010, 19:04

Well understood Ba Kombwe.

I think the issue for me is more than just going out there and harassing financial institutions.

It is clear that change needs to take place in our country. I think we all agree up to this point.

Question is, where should this change start from? Is it simply from all the many places that have clearly identifiable problems that we can point to? Can problems solve themselves?

If you refer to history and/or simply reflect on this matter, you may agree that any process of change needs an "effector" - someone or something that will drive the change process. So we have two points: the point where the problem is and the point where the effector is. The effector must move/operate to bring about change at the point where the problem is.

If we are struggling to identify that effector and/or make it function, then change needs to start at this point, and not actually at the point where the problem is. Put differently, it means we have a problem with the problem solver!

Let's first fix the problem solver and then use it to fix the problem.

The case in point - engaging with the financial sector - should assist in get us working/functioning. Whether or not the financial sector problem get's solved quickly may not be the biggest issue. Most important will be that we would have learnt how to engage with our problems. Meaning that we will be able to do this in many other situations.

Many other things will begin to happen beyond the financial sector. Various issues will be engaged in ways that lead towards solutions. The country will be on the move as bits of success here and there add to the momentum.

This is, for me, the theoretical framework I am coming from. But I am seeking to move towards a practical and workable process.

Ideas would be most welcome

Re: Let's Agree to do Something about it

Post by Kombwe » 2nd August 2010, 05:50

Guest,

you are welcome, dude.

Reason you cannot pick out my suffestion is I did not make any. I was merely venting. I am really sorry, dude. I hope you forgive me. I never jumped on this Makaveli bandwagon to begin with. nor the idea that roped Makavei into this in the first place. I hope you forgive me for being an armchair critic on this one. I wish you lots of luck, nevertheless.

Re: Let's Agree to do Something about it

Post by Guest » 1st August 2010, 15:03

Thanks Kombwe,

I hear your criticism of my views on getting things moving, and I think it is fair.

What I can't pick out though is your suggestion of what you think could be done, how this could be done, how much time you think we should reasonably allow, etc.

Any thoughts along these lines?

Re: Let's Agree to do Something about it

Post by Kombwe » 1st August 2010, 08:59

dude Guest,

Impatient seems to be the word that best describes you. Or maybe it is “unrealistic”. It’s been 45 years and we haven’t seen much in terms of concrete results as a nation. But here you are almost sounding like you expect results in a matter of weeks. Is that realistic? Miracles, notwithstanding??

dude, optimism is a great thing. As long as you can confine it to reality.

Re: Let's Agree to do Something about it

Post by Guest » 31st July 2010, 23:49

We seem to be very happy to allow this matter to die just like this, worse still, even focus on personalities.

If you look at the number of views, it is clear many are reading. Are all these people waiting to be terribly affected by an event in the financial sector before they can step forward? Won't that be rather late a point? I know of several people that have pledged to support a cause after they have been affected by a particular event. In almost all of these cases, whatever they may have lost doesn't come back. One wishes that the loss could have been avaoided!

Should we not be moving towards being pro-active rather than reactive? Isn't there something we can do before things get even worse?

I think there is a self-centredness about Zambians that prevents us seeing beyond a certain point. We tend to be so inward looking that we can be oblivious of harm that may be very close-by. And when we do look around, we try to pick out all the rivial issues and avoid the main things. Does that make the main issues go away? Me thinks not.

It would be good to see how we can use this platform to advance specific issues of common interest.

I am happy to put my shoulder to a process that will engage the financial sector in a manner that will result in shift in the way specific service is rendered to all of us. I will make time for this because it is in my interest to do so.

I don't think this amounts to wanting to take on the entire financial sector and wanting to solve all possible problems. It is about dealing with specific issues as they are identified. Piece by piece . . .

Does this make sense to anybody?

Re: Let's Agree to do Something about it

Post by Makaveli » 30th July 2010, 10:15

Thanks Goodsheet.You know not what you talking.

Re: Let's Agree to do Something about it

Post by Goodsheet » 30th July 2010, 08:53

yo ka Makaveli,

Go on and do your sheet. I got no quarrel with that.

You still a chicken though. You shouda never gotten involved with these nice, respectable pipoz and made them think even for a minute, that you are up to the task. That is a no-no, in high society. Although I recognize in the world you and I inhabit, cheating and chickening out is pretty much considered the norm. Just don’t mislead these nice, gentlemanly pipoz no more, will you? Thanks.

Re: Let's Agree to do Something about it

Post by Makaveli » 30th July 2010, 08:45

Goodsheet,
it is a matter of LIMITED TIME in my day.and not that I have chickened out.by the way I have started a job as a part-time packer at shoprite.you may say its not a good job,but its wat I have attached to it that is important - responsibility,hardwork and discipline.in short its not about the money or title.
Thank you

Re: Let's Agree to do Something about it

Post by Goodsheet » 29th July 2010, 17:56

Makaveli boyi,

I tried to tell these people that Makaveli will chicken out and never fulfill his supposed obligations on this matter. But I think many people cast doubt on my prophesy.

I practically pleaded with these people asking them not to place their trust in that Makaveli because he will disappoint them at the most crucial time when their hopes were so high. But to no avail.

I warned them that if they have a task to be done and they want to assign it to a reliable person, Makaveli should never even be on the long list of possible considerations for that task. Even if that long list were 7,030,766,864 (current total world population, according to the World Population Clock at the University of North Carolina) long, Makaveli's name should never be on that list! But I think most people still thought I was a quack.

I am glad now this issue can be put to rest once and for all. I mean the issue confirming that Goodsheet is indeed a prophet.

Makaveli is back

Post by Makaveli » 29th July 2010, 10:38

Hello wonderful citizens,
firstly am so sorry for NOT keeping my promise about perfoming my assigned task.
Instead of going blah blah blah explaining my lame & stupid excuses,let me get to the point and straight away confirm that I WILL NOT be able to carry out my agreed role.Sorry again for letting you down.
Stay blessed people!

Re: Let's Agree to do Something about it

Post by Ba Mwisho » 26th July 2010, 10:26

Am equally disappointed with OURSELVES.after deciding to do something about it,then suddenly we decide to do nothing about the doing something.too much NATO mentallity in Zambia.
(No Action,Talk Only)

Re: Let's Agree to do Something about it

Post by Chileshe » 24th July 2010, 21:35

Does this tell us something about ourselves (Zambians). If we had stuck to complaining, there would have been lots of hits. Now that we have moved to doing something about it, things have gone quiet.

Am I reading this correctly? Can someone please tell me if I am wrong? I would actualy really wish to be wrong!

Re: Let's Agree to do Something about it

Post by Ba Mwisho » 21st July 2010, 13:59

Guys how far have we gone with our suggestions?Come on people we can do this if we work together.Makaveli where are you my brother?Lets not leave the the idea to die just like this,it was a wonderful step towards turning service and goods up to higher levels in Zambia.
any fresh volunteers out there?

Re: Let's Agree to do Something about it

Post by C Chileshe » 16th July 2010, 20:43

I think it is good to start from this sunday.

Step one would be to sort them out into the different banks and then into the different issues.

We then need to start thinking about who to send to at each bank. I think the Bank websites have contact e-mail addresses for sending customer complaints. But I actually think it might be a good idea to send to also copy the CEOs of the same banks.

The challange will be to get responses, even if it is initially an indication of how long it will take for them to look into the issues.

If anyone knows someone in any of these banks, this may be helpful. We can copy in these same people even if they are not in customer care. They can help in obtaining responses.

Let's start and see how it goes.

I am happy to help with contacts at the banks

Re: Let's Agree to do Something about it

Post by C Chileshe » 16th July 2010, 20:43

I think it is good to start from this sunday.

Step one would be to sort them out into the different banks and then into the different issues.

We then need to start thinking about who to send to at each bank. I think the Bank websites have contact e-mail addresses for sending customer complaints. But I actually think it might be a good idea to send to also copy the CEOs of the same banks.

The challange will be to get responses, even if it is initially an indication of how long it will take for them to look into the issues.

If anyone knows someone in any of these banks, this may be helpful. We can copy in these same people even if they are not in customer care. They can help in obtaining responses.

Let's start and see how it goes.

I am happy to help with contacts at the banks

Re: Let's Agree to do Something about it

Post by Tasha » 16th July 2010, 18:33

Makaveli,

Please allow me to say something off the subject.

In astronomy, they say witnessing the birth of a star or a planet is one or the rarest of rare celestial events. Here on earth, a similarly rare event is to witness the transformation of a contemptuous hoodlum, scoundrel and outlaw into a civilized citizen. And here we are today, we are witnesses to this very rare event. And you are that former contemptuous hoodlum, scoundrel and outlaw.

Re:Lets Agree To Do Something About it

Post by Makaveli » 16th July 2010, 18:18

Sorry I was out and offline.
ok no problem.but coz of limited time,I will be doing that only once a week and thats sunday afternoons.which email must I be forwarding this ms-word document to?and wen am i supposed to start?

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